Saturday, January 13, 2007

Robin Hood picture gallery 16

Above: Will any of the men in Marian's life understand her and accept her for who she is?
Above: Jonas, Joe and Harry have certainly proved a hit with the teenage audience.
Above: Will we get to see the Night Watchman working alongside the outlaws next year?

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20 Comments:

Anonymous rae said...

cool first to comment.

gr8 pics m8. i hardly ever go on this site anymore but wen i do im never dissapointed!! cheers for da hard work m8!

10:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yh i agree it's gr8
luv amy xxx

4:04 PM  
Blogger kat said...

thirded. it's really good. arrr cannot wait that long for the new seris haha =] cheers for the really good webby RH. xx

4:56 PM  
Blogger Emily said...

I really think we haven't seen enough of the Night Watchman. Honestly I can't see a way out for Marian except to live in the woods with RH and Men.
She made her true alliegance known loud and clear in the final ep.

4:16 AM  
Blogger robin hood said...

I agree Emily. But I bet the BBC try to pretend it never happened...

12:26 PM  
Blogger Emily said...

This is true. I'd have to agree - though it's sad but true.

I don't know, I think it would be an interesting dimension to have her in the woods - she does in a lot of legends, and previous movies doesn't she?

I suppose though it would change a lot in the writing of future scripts, however.

Do you think they'll even bother to explain why she is still with her father and the Sheriff is blissfully ignoring what happened?

10:38 PM  
Blogger robin hood said...

Both the Judi Trott and Uma Thurman versions of Marian had her openly join forces (and give their love to) Robin Hood. And it worked well.

Other Marians, like Patricia Driscoll, would often go to the outlaws camp but keep it secret from the Sheriff.

How about this for a possible BBC storyline to get them out of the situation: Marian's father is locked in the dungeons under the supervision of Gisborne. Then the Sheriff forces Marian to work as a double agent double agent, forced to spy on Robin and report back to him. If not Gisborne murders her father. This way the current status quo of having Robin and Marian apart, Guy lusting after her, and she living at home, is all preserved. BUT at night she can still become the Night Watchman 'cos the Sheriff doesn't know it's her....

I don't like the idea. But if they simply carry on as if nothing happened it'll be ludicrous.

11:06 PM  
Blogger Emily said...

But...then wouldn't Robin attempt to rescue Marian's father? And if Marian didn't tell Robin that the sheriff was making her a double double spy, I'd say she was stupid and wouldn't believe a word of it.

But why do they have to preserve that status quo? That was a plotline that was used - very well - in season one. What it needs is a new exciting twist, not rehashing Gisbourne's lust of Marian in exactly the same way.

If they used what was there logically I think they'd come up with even more intrigue and suspense.

I really hope the transition isn't lame or that they do try and make things exactly the same - I agree it would be ludicrous.

By the way - did you ever hear any conclusion to the rumour about Anjali leaving the show? I don't believe it until it's announced by BBC because I haven't heard it from a credible source, but I think it would be disappointing to have no more Djaq.

Despite her role not being too major, I think we have seen a definite evolving of her character as she has found her place in Robin Hood's band of men, and doesn't seem to have to prove herself all the time. She's "one of the lads," as Much says, and she seems to have softened. I liked Dr. Djaq, and I hope we see more of her contributions.

Also - with Friar Tuck joining next season - I wonder if we'll see a Robin/Marian wedding at some point over the next season or two.
That is if she joins the outlaws in the forest of course.

I was also wondering - how long was King Richard's crusade? Robin was gone for five years - how much longer is it supposed to go on for? AT least in legend?

I'm also wondering about Alan a' Dale's wife in legend - Ellen - the one that was supposed to marry an old Knight, Robin rescues her and Friar Tuck marries them, and she lives in the forest with them in a little cottage of some sort with Alan. Has this character ever been fleshed out at all in any books or movies?

2:50 AM  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi again Emily,
Just to answer some more of your questions:

"Why is Guy out of good grace with King Richard and in good grace with Prince John?"

Gisborne and the Sheriff are opportunists. They aren't really in good grace with Prince John; it's just that they are well poised to seize the opportunity to grab Saxon lands by supporting him. (Just as happened in 1930s Europe when jewish homes were turned over to Hitler's supporters).

"But why do (the BBC) have to preserve the status quo?"

They don't, and I hope they don't. But television history is all about characters dying and coming back again, etc., etc. Maybe I'm just cynical.

"Anjali leaving the show?"

I think that was just an internet rumour. I've not been able to find it from any creditable source. Anjali Rose is tremendous and I'd hate to see her go.

"How long was King Richard's crusade?"

Richard was King for ten years, but only spent 6 months of his reign in England. He was a most unpleasant character, whose coronation itself gave rise to certain jewish guests being stripped and flogged, after which outbreaks of anti-semetic massacres and burnings were not uncommon. For a brief comprehensive account of Richard the Lionheart I suggest this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_I_of_England

But I don't accept the real Robin Hood was either a Crusader or of noble birth. I think that's just part of the richness of the legend, and in those old legends Richard the Lionheart was still perceived as a hero.

"Alan A Dale: Has this character ever been fleshed out at all in any books or movies?"

Not really. If Alan A Dale turns up at all he is usually the singing minstrel type as seen throughout the first Disney version (the "Story of Robin Hood"), or briefly in Richard Greene's 1950s TV series. The most interesting Dale I've seen (though once again not that true to the legends), is in "A Challenge for Robin Hood" (1967). It's certainy NOT a great film, but a very aggressive Alan A Dale leads the outlaws before Robin turns up. Both films are reviewed on the main Robin hood blog.

Cheers for now.

1:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's interesting what you have to say about King Richard, Robin Hood.

It's ironic that such a great legend has grown up about a man who spent so little time in his own country, and seemed such an unpleasant individual and yet the history books (and TV shows..) have him celebrated far and wide as good King Richard.

May be Tony Blair needs to take some lessons...and may be Robin Hood (in the show) needs to reassess his adoration of the man?

But I guess that would be too much to ask, giving children a bit of a history lesson that King Richard wasn't quite so wonderful after all.

4:00 AM  
Blogger Emily said...

RH,
Thanks for all the comments, but I meant Ellen a' Dale, not Alan a' Dale - is there any presnce of his wife in any of the movies or books other than the one where Robin rescues her and Alan marries her?

4:40 AM  
Blogger robin hood said...

Anon.,

In the film Robin and Marian, which deals with Robin Hood at the end of his life (played by Sean Connery), Robin is indeed sickened by the actions of his King (Richard Harris). It's one of my very favourite Robin hood films, but not for those who want a young Robin Hood falling in love with Marian for the first time.

Emily,

Hmmmmm, I seem to remember an episode of Robin of Sherwood, in which Alan was NOT a regular member of the outlaws, but in which they helped him and his wife... I'd have to go back and check. But certainly no films, nor the black and white 1950's series, ever explored this aspect.

Robin of Sherwood was excellent for finding these little stories from the original ballads and exploring them. But the modern contemporary audience may find it all a bit "mystical" for current tastes. (I still prefer it).

12:04 PM  
Blogger robin hood said...

PS:

I don't remember hearing / reading anything about Ellen AFTER she's rescued. Did she live in the forest? I'll see if I can find out.

12:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

these were intersting comments, agreen with all of them claraxxx

6:16 PM  
Blogger Emily said...

RH:
There is maybe two sources online that speak of her living in the forest with the outlaws.
The best one I found here:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sherwoodtimes/alanadal.htm

"Sitting with his back against the oak tree, the minstrel brings his harp down to his knee and starts to sing, allowing his long fingers to pluck at the strings to bring forth a mellow sound. His voice is light and in perfect pitch as he sings the Ballad of Alan a Dale



At the end of his ballad the minstrel lowers his harp and intrigued, I ask him: 'The ballad is about you, isn't it?'

'Yes,' he answers with a slow smile.

'Do you live with your wife in the forest?' I ask him.

'We live in a cottage near the lodge.'

'Lodge?'

'Robin Hood's lodge.'

'Where is that?'

'Deep in the greenwood. It is not easy to find. Robin and his men built the lodge from tree trunks cut in two with the bark left on so that it fades into the surroundings. It is L-shaped with a staircase either end leading up to an upper storey that has a gallery running around it.'

'It has two stories?' I query with wonder.

'Oh yes. In front, under the shelter of the gallery, it has a long trestle dining table and many, many guests have been welcomed at Robin's dinner table - some willing, some not so. The lodge is surrounded by a ditch with a drawbridge and scattered through the glades are many tents of hides where his merry men abide. He lives as a prince of outlaws.'

Other sources such as from a TV series, which I need to find the link of again, says that Alan's wife Ellen was rather feisty (not in keeping with original stories) and shot a bow as well as the men and also lived in the forest.

4:55 AM  
Blogger robin hood said...

Thanks Emily.

Robin of Sherwood, series 1 episode 5, is called "Alan A Dale":

Sleeve notes read: "A broken minstrel arrives in Sherwood threatening to kill the Sheriff. His name is Alan A Dale and the object of his affections, Mildred daughter of Baron De Bracey, is being forced to marry the Sherif. Robin decides to help the young lovers".

Long time since I've watched that episode.

11:17 AM  
Blogger Elven Assassin said...

as a teenage girl, definately agreeing with the "Jonas, Joe and Harry have certainly proved a hit with the teenage audience." comment :)
love all the pics! saw some spoilers though :( they were ones i saw coming, so they really just confirmed my thoughts, anyway...

12:36 AM  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi elven,

Not sure what "spoilers" are. Is that when someone gives the ending away?

When I wrote my reviews I always tried to be aware of that and never quite say what happens in the end, but you must remember they were written last year when the series screened in the U.K., and when the readers here had already just finished watching the shows before each review was posted.

But you do make a good point, and i did try to avoid spoiling anything.

10:23 AM  
Blogger nightwatchman01 said...

hiya, i love all the ideas of the new series, but i have to point out that the BBC cannot hide that Marian and Robin were together, because she ran out of the wedding, and a load of guards saw her with Robin, not to mention the entire of Loxely.


If the BBC do try and pretend nothing has happend i will die lol, no seriously, i waited an entire series for a kiss, and they will try and do a similar thing? It just won;t happen! I think that Marian should have to join with the outlaws, but as the nightwatchman or something, also, i think that her father should not be in the equasion, coz he always makes things more difficult for Marian and Robin. For example, he did not want Robin to save Marian at the end of last series, he was quite happy 4 her 2 marry Guy!

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9:24 PM  
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9:29 PM  

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